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    Quote Originally Posted by V.A.C. View Post
    tyrese shot up the blocko yo

    he even shot my bottle of henny


    VAC, your callous lack of empathy for the tradition of blockos, the fine beverage that is Hennessy and the rights of overweight nightriders is repugnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V.A.C. View Post
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtyme View Post
    also loads of new residents as part of the regent park teardown.
    That goes back to what I was saying about the bad planning of the 50's contributing to these problems today. In Regent Park it is being addressed through good planning principles now. That project is using the mixed income development approach to planning. It reduces ghettoization and includes TCHC housing, affordable housing units, middle and high income units as well as mixed build-form. It's working for the most part as young professionals, new families and even investors are cominginto the community. Too bad the guy who led the regent park initiative was "fired" by Rob Ford over a bunch of TCHC chocolates that he had nothing to do with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Method View Post
    Band aids are treatment, not a prevention by purpose. So yes, while you'll never achieve perfection, you can reduce ill effects.

    How many of those tweets talk of retaliation etc.? How are you supposed to prevent retaliation. We you never will prevent all retaliation but you can try.

    For example, the City has a program called Youth Outreach Workers who are young mentors hired from the communities themselves. They are uniquely positioned exactly in communities like this to know what the situation is on the ground, and have the established relationships within those involved in acts like this. They mobilize in situations like this to do what they can to prevent retaliation. They know who to speak to, and how to talk them down. They can do that because they are trusted members of these communities themselves because they have been there for years and came in with an aim to mentor. These workers are also sometimes the link between the community and police. Their success is immeasurable because you can't really measure when one of them talks down a gang-involved person looking for revenge. But they work. They mobilized after the Eaton Centre shooting and they will mobilize in this crisis to try to prevent retaliation. It's worth mentioning the city was looking to chop over half of them in the last round of Rob Ford's budget cuts. Luckily they were saved by Council a few months ago.

    That's just one example where a complex situation exists, and requires a bit of complex thinking with the solution.

    A lot of these communities suffer from isolation resulting from bad planning in the 50's. If you were born in a community where nothing changes and its difficult to get out of physically (relatively speaking), it can contribute to any socio-economic mire it finds itself in. We do know that Canada is not sheltered from the widening income gap. This is especially pronounced in Toronto's suburbs where the middle class of yester year has virtually vanished.
    Worth Reading: Tackling the income gap in Canadian cities - thestar.com

    Transit initiatives such as the LRT to Scarborough can help reduce feelings of isolation and connect it to the rest of the city. These tower-heavy communities may become re-animated through wider public transit accessibility.

    Just a few points to describe how some initiatives that go beyond 'installing a basketball net' can help reduce problems over time. The Priority Neighbourhood Program and Priority Centres, Welcome Policy etc are some other City initiatives that assist lower-income communities with programs.

    Sometimes we aren't comfortable with solutions that take a lot of time, and dedicated funding but really those are the only things within Toronto's power beyond policing (treatment) to legitimately reduce violence, poverty, unemployment.

    Recommend seeing the movie The Interrupters if you havent already. Documentary about this very thing in Chicago where they have it way fuckin worse than us.

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    Noted, and I'll put it on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Freeman View Post
    VAC, your callous lack of empathy for the tradition of blockos, the fine beverage that is Hennessy and the rights of overweight nightriders is repugnant.
    sounds about right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Method View Post
    Noted, and I'll put it on my list.
    I second the recommendation for Interrupters.

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    it wasn't so much poor planning in the 50s as it was the inability of city planners to accurately predict the shift in demographics that would take place in major cities, and the surrounding areas.

    imo

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    One single factor is not to blame. Planning and development, income shifts, demographic changes, local economic factors can all contribute to the storm. In one of the above links I identify the growing income gap which is arguably a federal and provincial issue to manage but at the municipal level it affects the outer suburbs who suffer from the kind of planning that serves as a catch basin for these problems. At the municipal level they have some tools available to lessen the impact -good planning, accessible transit, priority investment models. In the absence of these things, you can only compound problems stemming from issues that are the responsibility of higher levels of government and even globally.

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    The city owes those communities the initiatives to try and effect positive change through various means. But the community has to also acknowledge problems that it has and try to address that as well. The Jane Creba murder stemmed from a beef that happened in Scarborough and ended downtown. it would seem that transit isn't the problem for many of these communities. Granted better transit is good many of these people are happy and or feel safe in their "hoods" The toughest issue is combating a mentality. "rep" and appearances are the most important thing in those areas. Hence why people get killed over small slights.

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