New tune up. The title says it all. Some funky drum edits and piano bizness on this one.
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CHILI BANKS - Pendulum Is Shit (NEW TUNAGE UP)
New tune up. The title says it all. Some funky drum edits and piano bizness on this one.
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yeah.... cause single layer tunes with muddy breaks and a cheesy vocal are so much better lol
i'm sorry but if you're gonna call out names you'd better have something worthy.
and i'm not even a fan of pendulum.
its not muddy...and how can you not like the usage of the paradox interview...sikk tune man keep it up
"Chaotech A Toronto based production team comprised of 3 members; Heebus, Feels, and Weedcat, specialized in Drum & Bass/Jungle."
Since you're definitly not the ears of the operation, lemme guess you're the guy who gets the coffee and doles out the handjobs?
I'm just joking around, but I'd definitely be curious to hear a better minimal tune from you.
i thought the intro dragged on for way too long, imo.
once it finally kicked in, it's got a nice vibe.
keep doin what ya do man, but Chaotech does bring up a good point. Your breaks are crisp but the rest sounds like you just used loops without any processing (piano/harp thing, digeredoo sound, and things) It does sound very linear and not much effort put into it, with the exception of your drums which do sound great and not muddy.Originally Posted by Chili Banks
Keep it up tho, you got it going on.
I am also not a penulum.
well seeing as i don't make "minimal" tunes I can't help you there. and by the way i ain't the one calling out names. I don't have a track called so and so is shit. You brought that review on yourself. If you're gonna call one of the best selling drum and bass crews of all time shit you'd better have something big. that's all i'm saying. keep doing your thing...
as for not being the ears.. some tunes yes and some tunes no.. but that's the point of being in a group... more diverse material. if anyone was single handedly carrying the group why wouldn't they just do their own thing?
i was a lil' harsh with my first reply, though. For that i do apologize.
sounds awesome to mewell done mr banks
Chaotech makes BIG TUNES.
Big up Weedcat!
*Note this reply is not an attack, your response got me thinking about how, electronic music is viewed, and also got me thinking about a couple of things in music in general. That I thought I would take the time to express, it may be a little long winded but here it is.
First my saying you mustn't be the ears in your group was just me screwing around. I said it because I've played this tune along side other digital material and vinyl and the drums always stand out as nice and big. Ussually far louder in comparison to the other tracks. Firstly because of where they are level wise in the track. The simple or "single layer tune", actually has a couple of drum tracks, but it allows the focus to remain high on the drums and the sound to be fully expressed. the whole thing together I believe has 8 or 9 tracks. Which for some people is very minimal. I wasn't going for a full out sound push of all bars as I see alot of music (like Pendulum do all the time). I enjoy the way beats and absence of beats create negative space. That's kind of the concept of the track. The use of the piano sample as opposed to a synth was concious. I may have been able to achieve a similar effect with a synth, but I enjoy the use of samples, and the idea of re-contextualization. (in visual art as well as music). As I stated earlier I'm influenced by old tracks which were usually very linear (as someone else said this tune sound), especially in the basslines. So the concept of this track was a kind of simple throw back to that style of production, mixed with the new like the drums and processing. Of which Pendulum is kind of the anti christ (along with many others).
You said "i ain't the one calling out names. I don't have a track called so and so is shit. You brought that review on yourself. If you're gonna call one of the best selling drum and bass crews of all time shit you'd better have something big. that's all i'm saying." Which is in fact wrong. You chose to attack my work with internet bravado. Throwing out your opinions some which are valid. You are the observer. (Whatever the observer sees or feels is relavent to art in any form. Art is about what the individual takes away from it.) But you've chosen not to back it up.
My perceived "attack" on Pendulum is followed up by my arguement, and my points of reference. In this case being my track. It's how I chose to convey my opinion that Pendulum is shit. Which isn't actually the point of the tune, it's part of it but not the entire thing. The track was made for 3 reasons. 1. To jam too. 2 To open up a line of dialouge on the current state of jungle to my audience (however big or small it may be). To convey my personal dislike of Pendulum and all the copycats. (Which is a much much worse thing) There is a huge difference in influence and imitation. Knowing it is important.
To however say I was calling out names etc, to me this would mean I was talking shit and had no points, or examples, or ideas or discussion topics about it... I with music was making (or attempting to make) a statement. My thoughts are sentiments shared through out the scene to a degree by many people. (ex. Sample was taken from the well known artist Paradox) So instead of just making a beat, I made a track, carefully chose samples (vocal and otherwise) to express a sentiment I feel about the state of Jungle today.
You perhaps are just seeing the surface, you jumped at the catch. Which is both a good and bad thing. The intent of calling the tune "Pendulum is shit" is meant to have some shock value. It immediately engages the observer. It drew you in to checking out the tune, I've made. So it was effective. Once drawn in it expresses my opinion through music. Take the title and go deeper into it. Through the use of vocal samples, sampling a pre-recorded piano as opposed to using a synth etc etc. I'm concious of my choices. You have made a choice to overlook them or view them as flaws (I'm guessing fidelity over creativity, is why). Now what you've done is failed to take into account my side, as the artist. I spoke earlier about how your opinions, and your perspective are valid in the piece. But as the artist my intent and choices of samples are as well.
In your reply you talk about not making minimal tunes, then later speak about how having a lot of members brings diversity to your body of work. I can tell you as an artist don't always make minimal tunes. In fact I try to make all kinds of tunes. My preference being amen heavy rollers, and edited choppy tunes. But I love to experiment. I'd expect with 3 people your diversity would trump my own by virtue of having that extra input. Which is what I think you were trying to convey with that point. So I say "I would love to see you make a better minimal tune". Or show me how you've done something similar to what I've done if you don't think what I do is effective.
There is a tendency by a lot of people to try and make the same sounding tunes. I'm from the old school of thought when it comes to jungle. I like samples and sample manipulation. For precisely some of the reasons that, people find them flawed. I'm very concious of both my use of synths, soft synths, and samples. Though important fidelity is not the over riding factor in importance, in my tunes. Sometimes it weighs heavier then others. I have a hard time believing everyone who loves jungle enough to make it is following there hearts into making these over synthed tunes that lack breathing room. So I thought I'd make a tune about it. You're right I did put it out there. Just as Pendulum did. My personal response to Pendulum and the scene is themed in this tune. If you wanted to discuss music and the state of the scene that'd be a great response to my track. Instead you just chose to make some very simple base observations. Some of which provably are wrong and some of which are a matter of opinion. At least my response to Pendulum was coherent and expressed in a tangable form. Your response to mine was clouded in the anonimity of the internet, and under the cloak of badman Junglist bravado.
I do however accept your apology. It's a message board that's what goes down around here. However I do think you are wrong in thinking that your flaming of my work, is the same thing as my response to Pendulum and my philosophies about jungle, or the art of expression, for that matter. Think about it we could be on this message board talking about meaning, and creativity, and issues involved in music, and our joys of the craft of making music. Possibly learning from each other along the way. Instead of throwing poop around like a bunch of monkeys.
On a side note to end th ris rant. I randomly enough got to play this for one of the guys in Pendulum (granted I think he's one of the guys that does live p.a. with them, not El Hornet.) on New Years. Had some beers discussed it, and Jungle and so forth. It was a pretty funny total coincidence, I had just finished the tune a couple weeks earlier, and had it with me for that set.
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