Why doesn't dubstep mix with d&b

[firestar]

Fuck. Seriously i'm really trying to get into this. I am. But for fuck sakes, why, when whoever, decided to start this new genre, a supposed sub-grenre of d&b, decided to make tunes at 65 bpm so they wouldn't mix with d&b (or anything really, except for grime, and breaks really) - I don't get it.

Tunes are cool and all, but if they don't mix with d&b then people can't mix it in to the genre they came from. Like, dubstep would be soooo much better if it was hiphop speed, 80-90 bpm or so. Then, these dark huge hiphop style tunes could be mixed perfectly into d&b.

I'll never understand that - so until they bump the bpm to hiphop speed, I won't be buying any dubstep tunes. Sorry, it's like, if I spin dubstep, then I can't spin d&b in the same set, which doesn't work for me.

[sno]

Want dubstep at dnb tempo? Hit up the new Lomax bside, Profiler. It's pitched up, but has a fairly standard dubstep-ish bassline. Not my thing, but everyone else seems to like it.

[Toxic]

uh oh!

[Holmes on Homes]

Fuck. Seriously i'm really trying to get into this. I am. But for fuck sakes, why, when whoever, decided to start this new genre, a supposed sub-grenre of d&b, decided to make tunes at 65 bpm so they wouldn't mix with d&b (or anything really, except for grime, and breaks really) - I don't get it.

Tunes are cool and all, but if they don't mix with d&b then people can't mix it in to the genre they came from. Like, dubstep would be soooo much better if it was hiphop speed, 80-90 bpm or so. Then, these dark huge hiphop style tunes could be mixed perfectly into d&b.

I'll never understand that - so until they bump the bpm to hiphop speed, I won't be buying any dubstep tunes. Sorry, it's like, if I spin dubstep, then I can't spin d&b in the same set, which doesn't work for me.

Uhh...dubstep is not at 65 bpm you homo. It's pretty much half the speed of dnb.

Not only that, but why in the fuck would you try and mix the two? That's just fucking ghey.

You either like dubstep and buy records and spin them, or you don't. People don't even really mix dubstep? They just drop tunes at the right time.

[KlassiK]

People don't even really mix dubstep? They just drop tunes at the right time.

sounds like generic Hip-hop dj's then.

so dubstep djs = ghey

[Toxic]

LOL!!!!!

[sek [espionage]]

why you cant mix it with dnb.

Dnb is writen at around 170-175 bpm
Dubstep is writen at around 135-140 bpm

Dubstep is not a sub genre of dnb, it's a sub genre of uk garage. It's been around since late 2000 and most older dubstep tunes on Big Apple or Tempa sound pretty much like dark 2step garage.

Why you might think it's writen at 65bpm is beacuse for the last year or so "half time" has been pretty popular. Amit usues this technique in dnb often. Instead of the snares being placed on the "standard" 2 and 4, they are shifted to the 3's of each bar.

Half of 140 = 70.

Halftime, is a trend in the genre. Like wobble and liquid to dnb. In dubstep at the moment a lot of people are beginning to backlash against halftime and revisit things like 2step garage swing, galloping 4X4 beats and rolling kicks with snares on the 4 only. The sound in a year will probably resemble electro and techno a lot more than it does dub or hiphop now, just as the sound of now barely resembles the early tunes from a 2000 era.

So to answer your question. You cant mix it beacuse they're totaly different genres and tempos. Dubstep has little to do with dnb other than a lot of the people that make/listen to dubstep also like dnb.. or did at one point.

Hope that helps some.

[sek [espionage]]

Some info in here might help you.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16170

[JMoney]

yeah dude, breaks and dubstep are on the same tempo

[KlassiK]

;28475']why you cant mix it with dnb.

Dnb is writen at around 170-175 bpm
Dubstep is writen at around 135-140 bpm

Dubstep is not a sub genre of dnb, it's a sub genre of uk garage. It's been around since late 2000 and most older dubstep tunes on Big Apple or Tempa sound pretty much like dark 2step garage.

Why you might think it's writen at 65bpm is beacuse for the last year or so "half time" has been pretty popular. Amit usues this technique in dnb often. Instead of the snares being placed on the "standard" 2 and 4, they are shifted to the 3's of each bar.

Half of 140 = 70.

Halftime, is a trend in the genre. Like wobble and liquid to dnb. In dubstep at the moment a lot of people are beginning to backlash against halftime and revisit things like 2step garage swing, galloping 4X4 beats and rolling kicks with snares on the 4 only. The sound in a year will probably resemble electro and techno a lot more than it does dub or hiphop now, just as the sound of now barely resembles the early tunes from a 2000 era.

So to answer your question. You cant mix it beacuse they're totaly different genres and tempos. Dubstep has little to do with dnb other than a lot of the people that make/listen to dubstep also like dnb.. or did at one point.

Hope that helps some.

wow. u really luv your music. respekt

[:decklyn:]

;28475']Dubstep is not a sub genre of dnb, it's a sub genre of uk garage.

Werd. very common misconception. I would probably say that Dubstep has evolved out of UK garage, rather than it is a sub-genre, as the style and sound are different, and submovements of dubstep are occuring - but you're deeper in it than I am. Nuff respect sek for contributing

[firestar]

Uhh...dubstep is not at 65 bpm you homo. It's pretty much half the speed of dnb.

Not only that, but why in the fuck would you try and mix the two? That's just fucking ghey.

You either like dubstep and buy records and spin them, or you don't. People don't even really mix dubstep? They just drop tunes at the right time.

Hey troll, first of all, have you ever timed a dubstep tune? It's 60-70 bpm. If you think I'm lieing check for yourself. I wouldn't mix the two together because it wouldn't work, that's what I was saying.

Hey how about you step out from behind your troll and account and talk.

To all the peeps that don't hide behind pussy accounts - thanks for the info - I didn't know dubstep really formed from uk garage, as producers like Fanu and such were making tunes. I still think the bpm should be bumped up a bit - imagine the possibilites, hiphop and dancehall acapellas mixed over top, mixing hiphop tunes and dubstep tunes in a set, and ofcourse would mix right into d&b.

Kind of like triphop, but more darker and techy, i guess.

[firestar]

;28475']why you cant mix it with dnb.


Dubstep is writen at around 135-140 bpm



Sorry mate I gotta disagree here, breaks are around 135-140, dubstep is half that speed, so, 65-70 like I was saying before. If you think dubstep is produced at 140 beats per minute you're wrong.

[sek [espionage]]

you're right firestar, I don't know anything about dubstep or dnb.
carry on.

[:decklyn:]

;28704']you're right firestar, I don't know anything about dubstep or dnb.
carry on.

haha.
3 pages of proof for you firestar:
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17101
You might argue that it is only 1.5 pages of proof tho. lol

Breaks are a touch faster than 140, no? Like 150 no?

Dig in a bit and you'll see that despite the half step percussion, the vibe is defo 140bpm. People bounce at 140bpm! That's the best measure.

Get into the culture a bit and you'll see why people aren't moving the tempo up as you suggested, but it's also a very open culture, so if you feel like following the hyperdub streams, then it will be accepting of that as well. The general pressure is actually to push the tempo down (although there are opposite movements). Basically I think that is primarily drove by the memory of what has happened to drum and bass. Alot of the dubstep community is people who have become tired/bored of the formulaic nature of drum and bass, and its constantly increasing speed and intensity. The producer culture is highly experimental, and rejects all formula (while the DJs, in turn, tend to try to keep it at light slightly in check - ie "if you want your tunes to be played, quit making 3 minute intros of atmosphere, effect and no percussion!")

[bace]

Hey troll, first of all, have you ever timed a dubstep tune? It's 60-70 bpm. If you think I'm lieing check for yourself. I wouldn't mix the two together because it wouldn't work, that's what I was saying.

Hey how about you step out from behind your troll and account and talk.

To all the peeps that don't hide behind pussy accounts - thanks for the info - I didn't know dubstep really formed from uk garage, as producers like Fanu and such were making tunes. I still think the bpm should be bumped up a bit - imagine the possibilites, hiphop and dancehall acapellas mixed over top, mixing hiphop tunes and dubstep tunes in a set, and ofcourse would mix right into d&b.

Kind of like triphop, but more darker and techy, i guess.

You're a fucking idiot, and I'm not hiding behind anything.

You really want to know who I am, i'll send you a picture of myself with my phone number if you want you fucking homo.

[capro]

Fuck. Seriously

:what:

[SubHuman]

Sorry mate I gotta disagree here, breaks are around 135-140, dubstep is half that speed, so, 65-70 like I was saying before. If you think dubstep is produced at 140 beats per minute you're wrong.

no, you're wrong. sek mentioned halftime feel, and that's why some dubstep tunes 'feel' like they're at 70bpm but in fact that is an effect of the rhythm structure. if you don't believe me, come over and look at my screen right now, i have a dubstep tune i'm working on open.. at 140bpm.

[capro]

it's actually quarter-speed 280 bpm music

you know, just to beat the pants off other music through sheer force of wit

[darkside flow]

andrew man.. they're definitely right on this one. i hear what you're saying though, the fact that the beat is half time makes gaging the tempo misleading.


but to play devils advocate, wouldn't it in theory be possible to write dubstep tunes at 70bpm if the beats were placed closer together seeing as the they are farther apart when written at 140? i know that defeats the whole purpose of having the tempo at 140 to facilitate more development of the rhythm, but it's possible no? just thinking out loud.. don't know if im right or not, don't have a sequencer in front of me to try it out.

[SubHuman]

^^

it is, i've done it

[capro]

it just depends at what point you start figuring this stuff out. obviously dubstep came out of UKG and had to go a little bit faster to offset the drop into halftime productions...

it's not complicated, it's just mathematical patterns you can layer over each other...

[:decklyn:]

Yeah doesn't matter what tempo you have in your sequencer as long as it is a square or root of ~140. It's going to come out the same.

But most producers write at ~140, and the souls of dubsteppers and most dubstep move at ~140.

[darkside flow]

the souls of dubsteppers and most dubstep move at ~140.

see, that's where i'd start getting confused.. because i haven't been to a dubstep event and have no clue how people dance to it. i've always envisioned it pretty hard to dance to. but now that i think about it being written at 140 and people moving at that tempo, it makes a bit more sense. i guess that's a habit of moving at the speed of the drums like in dnb rather than at the speed of the bass, how i imagine you would with dubstep.

[capro]

interesting point of nothingness:

any records that I have to write BPMs on are usually measured on the halfbeat cos that's how i count bars for tricky DJ mixes. usually goes for 120 to 135 bpm Broken Beat or Nu Jazz records that translates to about 60 to 72 "counts" per minute.

just depends how you use it.

[sek [espionage]]

darkside flow, technically yea you could write a dubstep tune at 70bpm. But you'd kinda be stuck with halftime (which like I said before is kinda a trend in the music).
Writing a dubstep tune at 70bpm is a lot like writing a dnb tune at 85bpm. It's possible, just a bit illogical.

The best way to describe halftime dubstep's "up" feel is to compare it to crunk music. When you hear crunk, the beats are slow but you bob to the fast tempo.. mc's spit at the up tempo.

If dubstep were strictly written at 65-70bpm it would be pretty shit.. not really a lot you can do down there.. True tempo of 140 is really shown in older beats... old big apple stuff mainly. You can here the blatant fast tempo stuff creeping in and getting more popular on dubplate mixes n shit lately too. It's very 140.

Ironically, I actually think most dubstep is too fast. I'd like to see more in the range of 133-137ish. Exceeding 140bpm you run the risk of alienating a genre by tempo.. sorta like jungle.

[:decklyn:]

At the slower speed there is even more space to work, and you can swing things in a really interesting way.

I write my dubstep too fast *blush*

[capro]

^^^ yeah but what sek is saying is that if you have your grid set at 140 it's like working at a higher resolution, and you have more grid to play off of and make things more complex...

You don't have to put beats anywhere in particular you just have more places to swing stuff, as you're saying. Less resolution just means more simplicity, but if you put a snare on every half note on 60 bpm tunes you still go fast...

Like, when I write, it's totally gonna be at 280 bpm and slow like mud cos I'm just rad.

[firestar]

This was actually what I was trying to do, start a good thread with lots of good points in the music section here. I have read up on the dubstep and it's a lot deeper than i had expected - I wish I could show everyone what i meant by the 65 bpm thing, yes, you're all right it could be programmed at 130 bpm, but each 4 count is so slow, i still don't get how producers say its run at 130. I've even read the forums and still think it's done at 65, guess it just me producing a certain way for years and being a bit stubborn :nod: At the end of the day, a track produced at 130 bpm as compared to 65 bpm can be exactly the same depending on how they are arranged.

I wasn't trashing dubstep, I don't know why some of you jumped down my throat, I like it, just wish it was a tad faster.

[firestar]

You're a fucking idiot, and I'm not hiding behind anything.

You really want to know who I am, i'll send you a picture of myself with my phone number if you want you fucking homo.

:lolhit: Big words guy, big words. dun phaze me mate, ez.

[Nik Bass]

you can;t mis the two casue dubstep sucks donky balls and dnb is the shit

[SYMBIANT]

LOL @ Donky Balls. I feel bad for the dubstep people. I know they're sell outs and all but if they like they shit toned down and soft then thats cool.

[:decklyn:]

Sell outs. Yeah. There is so much money in dubstep it's unreal.
*insert borat joke here*

[Mike D]

lol

sellouts...

holy moly, hit the nail on the head with that!

i guess since me and xi ARE making $500 a gig to play at thymeless, and sek is getting $1500 to play at the lab tonight, we are all sellouts...good call! :horny:

damn i am glad jungle doesnt owe me money cuz the bastards don't have any! big up the dubstep money!!!!!!!!

[SYMBIANT]

I was being sarcastic. But whatever.....

[Decklyn]

Woah. That's nuts. Are you serious Mr. Carl?
I was also joking in my post.
I do find that my tracks get alot more attention from the dubstep massive tho, which is refreshing.

[djjeph]

sounds like generic Hip-hop dj's then.

so dubstep djs = ghey

hahaha so after reading this post i'm not going any further in the thread... it's bound to just get retarded now...

[SubHuman]

dubstep tonight @ the lab, 5 bucks (sig)

[pappy.]

its just fucking music people. jesus fuck.

get a grip.

[WeedcaT]

no way someone is paying 1500 for a set. can't be serious?

[SubHuman]

no way someone is paying 1500 for a set. can't be serious?

;)

[Mike D]

why do people always believe my awful lies?!?!!!

do i type with that much conviction!?! :D

nick, 'splain to me....

[SubHuman]

no one can doubt the penisfold

[XI]

hahahahahahhahahhahahahahah

ridiculousness.

you cant mix dnb and dubstep, its breaks vs hardcore, respect for picking up some vinyls though, support is bomb. And before trying to kill eachother with "positivie vibes" you guys need to listen to the music you criticize.

anyhow, i cant type long, ive got a 12 o'clock massage appointment, ever since i switched to dubstep my music revenue has tripled this quarter. Crazy brits paying me out the A$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. (see all those money signs??)

g'wan son.

[SubHuman]

lawl. that's why i quit my day job... 'cuz dubstep is where the money's at, brap! (not)

[RAW]

so i should quit the bank, buy a bag of k, and start making beats?

oh wait, are they called beats in dub-talk?

[XI]

so i should quit the bank, buy a bag of k, and start making beats?

oh wait, are they called beats in dub-talk?

YOu just dont get it do you??

If you start doing dubstep, it buys the K for you, man!

Im telling you! IT PAYS FOR ITSELF!

Jungle pays for the coke, i guess, but then jungle expects you to fuck after dinner, and you're all "Hey, just cause you bought me dinner and coke doesn't mean i owe you anything!" and next thing you know you're wearing a 1 piece leather strap and a dog collar, being used as some Cuban guy's ashtray.

Anyway K is child's play, you better be on day 3 of an oxycotin binge before you try to comprehend beats this SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Sleeping pills are the new E.

[~TS~]

YOu just dont get it do you??

If you start doing dubstep, it buys the K for you, man!

Im telling you! IT PAYS FOR ITSELF!

Jungle pays for the coke, i guess, but then jungle expects you to fuck after dinner, and you're all "Hey, just cause you bought me dinner and coke doesn't mean i owe you anything!" and next thing you know you're wearing a 1 piece leather strap and a dog collar, being used as some Cuban guy's ashtray.

Anyway K is child's play, you better be on day 3 of an oxycotin binge before you try to comprehend beats this SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Sleeping pills are the new E.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tim Titan]

this thread is lololoerson

think i'm gonna try and write some tune at 25 bpm

[:decklyn:]

Gravol Suppositories are the new bump

[djjeph]

YOu just dont get it do you??

If you start doing dubstep, it buys the K for you, man!

Im telling you! IT PAYS FOR ITSELF!

Jungle pays for the coke, i guess, but then jungle expects you to fuck after dinner, and you're all "Hey, just cause you bought me dinner and coke doesn't mean i owe you anything!" and next thing you know you're wearing a 1 piece leather strap and a dog collar, being used as some Cuban guy's ashtray.

Anyway K is child's play, you better be on day 3 of an oxycotin binge before you try to comprehend beats this SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Sleeping pills are the new E.

:lolhit:

[the.kryptic]

yup dubstep sure is slower than dnb! imagine that!

[dj 2tone]

alright, there are to many other responses to read

but if something is 140 bpm, and another person is saying it 70 bpm, in reality when it comes to dj'ing there is no fucking difference. you can mix double time. like putting an acapella at 115 bpm like ciara get up with bob marley jammin. jammin pretty much half the speed of get up by ciara, so they can mix together.

if you want to be able to mix from dubstep into dnb, learn how to go through genres of different speeds. when i spin, i will start at 70 bpms, and at the end of my set i have progressed and doubled that bpm. and i do this with hip hop/ dancehall/ crunk/ ol time reggae. be creative.

as for the ignorant fuck who said hip hop dj's just drop tunes at the right time.
YOU ARE A MORON>
stop going to shit clubs and you will hear real hip hop dj's that mix 10 better and faster then any other genre of dj's. it is not just dropiing at the right time, you have to know your tunes. unlike dnb which a child can mix becuase all the songs are in the same range of bpm, hip hop is all over the map. you have to be able to please everyone and that means being able to get from 80 bpm to 110 with in 4 tracks. and mixing the whole time.
more is expected of you when you spin hip hop , where as dnb, pretty much just mixing from break to break. you are expected to make a remix on the spot, and a creative one, not one you heard someone else do. change intrumentals on a 2 bar break and still know that the instrumental your putting is going to match your acapella.
don't ever try to say hip hop dj's are generic. clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. if you based this on the ones you heard, like i said go to better clubs with better dj's.

[SubHuman]

alright, there are to many other responses to read

but if something is 140 bpm, and another person is saying it 70 bpm, in reality when it comes to dj'ing there is no fucking difference. you can mix double time. like putting an acapella at 115 bpm like ciara get up with bob marley jammin. jammin pretty much half the speed of get up by ciara, so they can mix together.

if you want to be able to mix from dubstep into dnb, learn how to go through genres of different speeds. when i spin, i will start at 70 bpms, and at the end of my set i have progressed and doubled that bpm. and i do this with hip hop/ dancehall/ crunk/ ol time reggae. be creative.

as for the ignorant fuck who said hip hop dj's just drop tunes at the right time.
YOU ARE A MORON>
stop going to shit clubs and you will hear real hip hop dj's that mix 10 better and faster then any other genre of dj's. it is not just dropiing at the right time, you have to know your tunes. unlike dnb which a child can mix becuase all the songs are in the same range of bpm, hip hop is all over the map. you have to be able to please everyone and that means being able to get from 80 bpm to 110 with in 4 tracks. and mixing the whole time.
more is expected of you when you spin hip hop , where as dnb, pretty much just mixing from break to break. you are expected to make a remix on the spot, and a creative one, not one you heard someone else do. change intrumentals on a 2 bar break and still know that the instrumental your putting is going to match your acapella.
don't ever try to say hip hop dj's are generic. clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. if you based this on the ones you heard, like i said go to better clubs with better dj's.

true. i don't spin hip hop but i do spin a variety of different beats and i find dnb and breaks to be the easiest to mix. house is the hardest imo because if the beatmatching isn't dead-on then it sounds like complete shit. you can't just cut and do quick mixes either, you have to blend for a long period of time, with the kicks perfectly synchronized. dubstep is somewhere in between as far as difficulty. the tracks are generally short, and although long mixes aren't the norm, some of the beat structures are very unconventional and can get pretty confusing when mixed with other, differently structured beats.

[darkside flow]

as for the ignorant fuck who said hip hop dj's just drop tunes at the right time.
YOU ARE A MORON>
stop going to shit clubs and you will hear real hip hop dj's that mix 10 better and faster then any other genre of dj's. it is not just dropiing at the right time, you have to know your tunes. unlike dnb which a child can mix becuase all the songs are in the same range of bpm, hip hop is all over the map. you have to be able to please everyone and that means being able to get from 80 bpm to 110 with in 4 tracks. and mixing the whole time.
more is expected of you when you spin hip hop , where as dnb, pretty much just mixing from break to break. you are expected to make a remix on the spot, and a creative one, not one you heard someone else do. change intrumentals on a 2 bar break and still know that the instrumental your putting is going to match your acapella.
don't ever try to say hip hop dj's are generic. clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. if you based this on the ones you heard, like i said go to better clubs with better dj's.

a bit hypocritical calling someone a moron for saying something about hiphop djs but then saying a child could mix dnb, don't you think? i could say that you need to "stop going to shit clubs" and attend a proper dnb night to see a real dj spin, rather than all these nights where everyone plays the same clipz and hazzard tunes, no? works the same both ways.

quite frankly, there is 100 times more generic hiphop djs than there is dnb and that's just due to the sheer amount of people making/spinning hiphop music.

a good dj is a good dj. the same skill is required to properly mix any genre (which could arguably be a lot of skill or very little skill) and all the things you mentioned that a hiphop dj has to consider are the same things any other GOOD dj needs to consider ie. pitch matching with vocals, being able to move from 80 to 110 bpm in a few tracks (likewise, from 165 to 185 in dnb) etc.

anyways, u know its all love. i don't even know who made the comment about hiphop djs, but let's not start insulting each other's choice of music. the music forum is for contsructive arguments.. take this shit to the general forum! :)

[Mike D]

i miix dj

[koszler]

i miix dj

i fucking love you

[RAW]

true. i don't spin hip hop but i do spin a variety of different beats and i find dnb and breaks to be the easiest to mix. house is the hardest imo because if the beatmatching isn't dead-on then it sounds like complete shit. you can't just cut and do quick mixes either, you have to blend for a long period of time, with the kicks perfectly synchronized. dubstep is somewhere in between as far as difficulty. the tracks are generally short, and although long mixes aren't the norm, some of the beat structures are very unconventional and can get pretty confusing when mixed with other, differently structured beats.


funny, i find house to be among the easier genres to mix
but who knows, that could be for a number of reasons, and i can't say that i've ever takin house mixing that seriously

[:decklyn:]

Yeah I thought that when I started mixing too, but if the kicks go off a bit in house it's very noticable. It's harder as a DJ to determine which is going faster as well, as you're listening to the low end sounds, rather than high frequency snares, as in broken beat genres.

[SubHuman]

^^

exactly. beatmatching with snares, rather than kicks, is much easier for me for some reason

[ROLLIDGE]

Might i suggest adding lemon?

[the.kryptic]

Might i suggest adding lemon?

frankie says relax.

[SubHuman]

swallow the bird already!

[Malmato]

lol why the fuck would you want to mix dubstep with dnb? everyone KNOWS they hate each other..

[SubHuman]

lol why the fuck would you want to mix dubstep with dnb? everyone KNOWS they hate each other..

they should totally fight.. jungle is quicker on its feet but dubstep has a lower centre of gravity.. if jungle got the jump on dubstep it could fill dubstep in with a mad amen barrage, but on the other hand all it takes is one solid connect from a dubstep bassline and it's all over..

but seriously, i'm worried the snake is going to choke on that bird

[Malmato]

^wow. lol :lol:

[:decklyn:]

lol^
Rumour has it one single dubstep kick has the same force as a barrage of dirty Hotpants.

[Unregistered]

lol why the fuck would you want to mix dubstep with dnb? everyone KNOWS they hate each other..
Black Sun Empire must hate themselves then. They usually make DnB, but their new tracks are Dubstep.

And depending on the right DnB and Dubstep track, it is possible to mix these genres.

[EshKoshkA]

lol at dubstep coming from dnb

[evidence]

"dubstep" SHOULD be written at like 125 ish....but thats just me

then u get into tha UKG thats @ like 140

i write my dubstep at like 135...or 70...it doesnt matter

jungle @ like 180 or 90..it doesnt matter

ALL Riddim MIDI files i use for dubstep tracks NEED to be written @ 70 or i cant use the midi file...just the way the cookie crumbles

you can try and mix dub with jungle..but i dont recommend it

[evidence]

Sorry, it's like, if I spin dubstep, then I can't spin d&b in the same set, which doesn't work for me.

when you produce...theres ways around it....

make a tune with a dnb intro?..then break it down into dubstep

nice clean transformation then the people wont know what hit em


even if you dont produce...theres tunes like that out there...jut need to find them


so you CAN play your dubstep with your jungle...its just finding that way to switch it over

got a DJM 600 or somethin?...nail the echo effect....drop your needle in a couple places to create some atmosphere....then let the dubstep tune go....

might seem cheesy but creativity never hurt anyone

[(((vice)))]

Amit - Immigrants
Amit - White trash

[XI]

DZ and Bowzer did some interesting tunes with dnb speed breakdowns, sort of the same idea as dieselboy's Barrier Break, but in reverse.

140 and 70 bpm are essentially the same thing, but when sequencing a beat produced at 70 would have a way more "hip-hop feel" where as at 140, as i generally make my tunes, the possibility for more breaky or garage-y style rhythyms is apparent.

[evidence]

140 and 70 bpm are essentially the same thing, but when sequencing a beat produced at 70 would have a way more "hip-hop feel" where as at 140, as i generally make my tunes, the possibility for more breaky or garage-y style rhythyms is apparent.

i also find with 70 bpm theres TONS more room for creativity

[XI]

i also find with 70 bpm theres TONS more room for creativity

I'd say the producer defines the creativity, not the bpm. :D

[*CreepEazy*]

All I can say is there are a few tunes in DNB that allow for a clean mix with some dubstep tracks.

The trick is finding those tunes.

For example
Lifted Cru - Levitation (2nd break is basically a breaks beat, which then switches to a Dubstep beat, which breaksdown again, builds and then drops into a dnb beat)
Chase & Status - Eastern Jam - Mix this intro through the 2nd break in Levitation (through both the breaks part and the dubstep part) and cut over the Eastern Jam before the DNB drop again.

Actually, it's really simple if you know your tunes.

Like someone previously mentioned, Barrier Break does a similar thing, as does Blazin Jazz by Sparfunk & Joe Solo.

You just gotta look for the right tunes to transition between the 2 genres

[evidence]

I'd say the producer defines the creativity, not the bpm. :D


yeah your toally right..but theres more room to move around if you knwo what i mean

[sp]

mix dnb at 33 rpm and then mix

[sconeboy]

why would u want to
brass

[freezachin]

Fuck. Seriously i'm really trying to get into this. I am. But for fuck sakes, why, when whoever, decided to start this new genre, a supposed sub-grenre of d&b, decided to make tunes at 65 bpm so they wouldn't mix with d&b (or anything really, except for grime, and breaks really) - I don't get it.

Tunes are cool and all, but if they don't mix with d&b then people can't mix it in to the genre they came from. Like, dubstep would be soooo much better if it was hiphop speed, 80-90 bpm or so. Then, these dark huge hiphop style tunes could be mixed perfectly into d&b.

I'll never understand that - so until they bump the bpm to hiphop speed, I won't be buying any dubstep tunes. Sorry, it's like, if I spin dubstep, then I can't spin d&b in the same set, which doesn't work for me.


amazing

[firestar]

wow haha this thread is oooold! Thanks for digging it up lol!

I produce some dubstep now. I got over the bpm thing.

Haha wow my first post was sad lol.

I still think hiphop speed dubstep would be wicked though, I've seen it around a little bit.

[dubwater]

ut if they don't mix with d&b then people can't mix it in to the genre they came from?

huh

[GimpyJ]

amazing
:lol: thanks for bringing this one up again freeza i needed a laugh

[mintjellie]

hahahahahahhahahhahahahahah

ridiculousness.

you cant mix dnb and dubstep, its breaks vs hardcore, respect for picking up some vinyls though, support is bomb. And before trying to kill eachother with "positivie vibes" you guys need to listen to the music you criticize.

just to be contrary for its own sake, the part of the tracklisting i've highlighted in bold - those series of transitions get pulled off brilliantly.

electrobreaks > dubstep > jungle > detroit

really - you'll find acid house, minimal, techno, even a disco jam and an industrial track. 'mazin.

http://sonicsunset.org/ci_20080521_dave-lighterpath.mp3

Hell Interface - Midas Touch (Boards of Canada bootleg) 2007
Meat Beat Manifesto - God O.D. (Wax Trax) 1988
Plaid - Fly Wings (Warp) 2000
Kelley Polar - The Rooms in My House Have Many Parties - Love Songs of the Hanging Gardens (Environ) 2006
Firefly - Love (Is Gonna Be on Your Side) (Emergency) 1981
Soul Center - Let’s Go - I (W.v.B. Enterprises) 1999
Newworldaquarium - Avon Sparkle - Dead Bears (NWAQ) 2007
Orlando Careca vs. The Cosmonut - Stars in Your Eyes - Just for Tonight (66 Degrees) 2000
Theo Parrish - Heal Yourself and Move - First Floor Part 2 (Peacefrog) 1998
Larry Heard presents Mr. White - The Sun Can’t Compare [Long Version] (Alleviated) 2006
DBX - Beat Phreak (Accelerate) 1994
Voyager 8 - Mothership Earth - Rings, Moons, and Clouds (Synewave) 1995
Daniel Lui - Tale of Motion - Act of Amnesia (Chair) 2000
Ulf Lohmann - My Pazifik - Pop Ambient 2008 (Kompakt) 2007
E.R.P. - Alsoran (Frantic Flowers) 2007
Redshift - Journey Through the Asteroid Field - Starbase EP (Surface Effect) 2001
Scuba - Braille Diving (Hotshore) 2007
FBD Project - Gesture without Motion - Enforcers Vol 7 (Reinforced) 1994
Drexciya - Aqua Worm Hole - Bubble Metropolis (Underground Resistance) 1993
The Advent - There’s No Danger - Elements of Life (Internal) 1996
Arovane - Yua:e - Icol Diston (din) 1998
Move D + Benjamin Brunn - On the Magic Bus - Let’s Call It A Day (Binemusic) 2007
Soultek - Lighter Path (Fortune8 ) 2007
Black Dog - Cost II (GPR) 1993
Stasis - Point of No Return (B12) 1993
Joakim - Cotton Gun [Original] (Versatile) 2002
Translucent - Light of Dawn Mix Pt 1 - Momentary Vision (Jelly Jam) 1989
LFO vs Fuse - Loop (Plus 8 ) 1995
Sven Weisemann - Cabana Fever (Mojuba) 2007

[SubHuman]

yeah i mean just because they can't be beatmatched doesn't mean you can't mix em up in a set

having said that, what really bugs is me is how dubstep won't mix with grindcore

like fuck, i had a sick idea for a mix, vaccine into agoraphobic nosebleed

oh well

[mintjellie]

"everything and the kitchen sink" sets can be fun times. doesn't happen very often though.

its not the dj's fault. they just play what the crowd wants.

[sp]

dubstep dont mix with dnb the same way oil dont mix with water NUKKKAAAAAA